Dex and its secrets...

[Beelzebull]

Hello Dear Somarians,

I was discussing with a player in game about evasion and he told me very good and useful information that I am sure will be very helpful to everyone. Well here goes the explanation.

Assuming:

Player A has 50 Dex
Mob has 50 Attacking Dex

With the above values the Mob has 50% chance of hitting Player A. That is out of 10 hits the mob will hit player A 5 times.

If Player A levels up his Dex to 60, to calculate the base evasion u need to subtract Player A Dex to the Mobs Dex. The difference is added to the 50% evasion.

That is (Player A Dex – Mob Dex) + 50% = Base Evasion Rate.

Example 1: (60-50)+50% = 60%

I your Player A Dex is lower, let say 30 Dex, the formula is still true, that is…

Example 2: (30-50)+50% = 30%

To give another example…

Player B Dex = 63.6 (that’s 64 rounded)
Mob Dex = 44

Example 3: Then base evasion = (64-44)+50% = 70%

Now if you add Hero boots, that’s an extra 10% to your base evasion.

So using the same examples the:

Example 1 = 60% + 10% = 70%
Example 2 = 30% + 10% = 40%
Example 3 = 70% + 10% = 80%

Adding to it more, the dodge aura adds 15% to your evasion. Meaning that the above example would end up to:

Example 1 = 70% + 15% = 85%
Example 2 = 40% + 15% = 55%
Example 3 = 80% + 15% = 95%

Well there you go. I have tested these out and it seems to work quite close to it. By the way Dex armour does not work like this too… I will ask around and post about it too.

All Credit goes to Voodoochild

Use this formula to calculate the evasion rate you would have with the info given in the Complete Hsoma/Dsoma mob stat list

Example 4: Lets take into account the Raptor. It’s Dex(A), that is attacking Dex, is listed as 40. So taking into consideration Player B at 35 Dex the following is your Base Evasion…

(35-40)+50% = 45% Base Evasion

Wearing Hero Boots, using Dodge and using 2 +1Dex jewelry you would add up to the following

45% Base Evasion + 15% Dodge + 10% Hero boots + 2% Jewelry = 72% Evasion Rate.

Have fun people

P.S. I do believe that the formula also works the opposite way round.

[Fisco]

Ok, lets give it a go -

Player A has 46 dex and is taking on an Apus (which has 85 attacking dex)

Player A has no other +dex items or armour, so:

46-85+50 = 11% Base Evasion Rate - Therefore Mr Apus will hit Player A 89 times out of 100 (but very unlikely Player A will need to be hit 89 times )

Now we'll switch it around -

Player A still has 46 dex (bloody axer users )

Mr Apus has 80 defensive dex, so Mr A's base evasion rate is:

80-46+50 = 84% BER - Therefore Player A misses 84 times out of 100.

Alternatively 46-80+50 = 16% - Player A hits 16 times out of 100. (same thing, different gravy)

Conclusion: Do some dex, u axe using dumbass!


I think I worked it out correctly - it makes sense to me

[Beelzebull]

Yeah Apus = Attack 85, Defence 80

Player A = 46 Dex

Player A Base Evasion = (46-85) + 50% = 11% = ur in shit. I would suggest Hero Boots Pads and + 4 dex + dodge aura. 11(base)+10(boots)+2(pads)+4(2 wind bands)+15(dodge) = 42%

Player A Base Accuracy = (46-80) + 50% = 16% = lol if u think your so lucky... mage em else u will be scaring only flies...

[Micky]

using Bel's last example - my evasion against that apus is 67% and my attack is 42% - damn - I wish i wasnt an axe user (and that's ignoring the 62 dex armour effect! mwuhahahahaha!!!

[Beelzebull]

The dex armour evasion increase is very slight mate.

If you check out the stat it says 10%(15%). Still not sure how it works but it aint adding 10% evaision.

Will try get some info.

[Barinov]

Belial said:

The dex armour evasion increase is very slight mate.

If you check out the stat it says 10%(15%). Still not sure how it works but it aint adding 10% evaision.

Will try get some info.

As I understand it, 10%(15%) means 10% evasion for 15% of the time. This, indeed, is a very small overall percentage. In real terms, I think it would equate to 1.5% all of the time (rounded to 2% ?), i.e 10% of 15%.

[Beelzebull]

Talked to people around and they infact came to your conclusion bar...

example 100 hits - 15% that is 15 hit out of th 100 - and 10% of that which is 1.5 hits.

That is 1.5 hits for every 100. 1.5%.

So if you wear dex helm + Dex top + dex pads, it adds up to 4.5%, which is not that bad.

[Fisco]

Bel, assuming you mean Evasion Helm, Top and pads......................

Player A Dex is 48

Frosty Troll attacking dex is 50:

48-50+50= 48% Base Evasion Rate

and Player A is using dodge (+15%) whilst wearing hero boots (+10%). He also is wearing an evasion top (+1.5%) and evasion pads (+1.5%) and evasion helm (+1.5%)...therefore his total evasion rate is - 48+15+10+1.5+1.5+1.5 = 77.5% (rounded to 78%?)

Or am I way off with that?

[Beelzebull]

you hit the nail on its head mo99... ;D

[Micky]

Not quiet right i think - example Player A has 71 dex

thus 71 + 15 + 10 + 1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 = 100.5% evasion rate ?

shouldnt it be 71 + (71x0.15) + (71x0.10) + (71 x 0.045) = 92% ?

Dex is dex, the others are percentages of that base dex?

[Fisco]

ooh, Mickey adding brackets now

using Mickeys formula and my example -

Base Evasion Rate = 48

48 + (48 x 0.15) + (48 x 0.10) + (48 x 0.045) = 62%

That would make more sense, I suppose.

What about low dex mobs?.........

So, if Mr 71 Dex was at dungy ghouls (20 dex) without evasion armours etc - he would have 71-20+50 = 101 BER

But this is capped to 100 anyway - so Mr 71 dex wouldnt be hit by ghouls in dungy?


and using my example with same mob.....

48-20+50 = 78% BER

wearing same items (not a wimp, he's just on his way to D3 DW's )

78 + (48 x 0.15) + (48 x 0.10) + (48 x 0.045) = 92%

??

[Beelzebull]

It does make sense too...

hmm considering my 67 dex.... and the DWs Dex attack being 55.

Then the forumla is as follows...

(67-55)+50 = 62%

62 + (62*.10) + (62*.15) + 2 dex + (62*.045) = 82.14%

Rounded to 82%.

Is we use the 1st example it would be...

62+10+15+2+4.5 = 93.5%

Rounded to 94%.

Hmmm i really not sure which is right . From the hunting thou it looks more close to the 90 then the 80. I can heal easily with 4 mobs.

Also if i am not using dodge, they start hitting much more. It is as if the 15% is more appropriate then the (62*.15) 9.3%.

MO99 - people say its capped, but i do not think it is capped at 100%. It is more likely to be capped at 90-95%.

At the end after the training hours i spending, I think the 1st formula is correct.

[skullo]

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Evasion comes from 3 sources, dex, armor evasion and auras (dogde). When it is calculated your dex is compared to the dex of the attacker and you get the base evasion value. Same dex = 50% evasion. IMPORTANT, we talk about several different % values here. After the base evasion is calculated you add evasion from items and auras.

On armor there are two kinds of evasion. The kind that is on hero armor and the kind that has a % value in () after it. The hero armor evasion is added directly to the base evasion. While the other kind works only a % of the time. Take normal dex armor as an example. Has 10%(10%), that is 10% extra evasion 10% of the time, which is basicly the same as 1% evasion.

Dodge aura adds 15% evasion, which is also added directly to the base evasion value.

So if someone has hero boots on, dodge aura and the same dex as the attacker, he has 50%+10%+15% = 75% chance of evading. Adding 3 pieces of dex armor would only give an extra 3% of evasion.

Some def upgrades work in the same way too, with a (%) chance of working.

this was posted by Duell on soma forums.

thought it simplyfied things so i posted here incase it hlps